ECUMENICALISTS

Episcopalians & Lutherans Ecumenate

Schuller Has Never Sinned!?

NAE Sinks Deeper Into the Ecumenical Abyss

Campolo Expects Visitors From Space?

Robertson Says Believers Must Unite

Episcopalians & Lutherans Ecumenate

Leaders of the Episcopal Church and the nation's largest Lutheran denomination said that their historic alliance, which was concluded today at the Episcopalians' 73rd general convention, begins an era of ecumenical outreach that could lead them to engage other churches in similar efforts of sharing resources and personnel.

The leaders also conceded that the alliance, "Called to Common Mission," could play a significant role in helping the churches stem steady declines in membership caused by aging congregations, the appeal of new large churches and the feeling by some that their church no longer serves their needs. The falloff has been especially acute in the Episcopal Church, which in 1998, the last year for which statistics are available, had 2.3 million baptized members, about a third fewer than the 3.6 million in its peak year, 1965. Its partner in the alliance, the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, has suffered a milder decline, to 5.1 million in 1998 from 5.2 million in 1987, the year that three Lutheran denominations merged to form the current church.

"I wouldn't say the motivation to be enthusiastic about full communion is because of some numerical measure," said Rustin Kimsey, a retired Episcopal bishop from The Dalles, Oregon, referring to the accord. "But it will help. We're already strong because of the conversations we've had with the Lutherans. There is always strength in numbers."

The Rev. Lowell G. Almen of Chicago, secretary of the Lutheran denomination, also dismissed any suggestion that the alliance was spurred by falling membership. He said the alliance could, at the least, help stabilize membership and perhaps, help the churches grow. "The more primary question is greater effectiveness and witness to the Gospel," Mr. Almen said of the collaboration. "But it may well result in growth and care for God's people throughout our communities."

The alliance between the two churches followed approval by the Lutherans three years ago, the Episcopal House of Bishops on Friday and today's vote by the Episcopal House of Deputies, which was overwhelming, 190 to 23. It was intended as a way to improve the economies of scale for both denominations. In addition to recognizing similar theologies and liturgies, the alliance provides a way for each church to offer the other its resources in areas of need and to work together on outreach programs.

For Episcopalians, the issue of membership is crucial. David Perry of Manhattan, deputy for ecumenical relations, said one of the problems the Episcopal Church had encountered was how to retain young people as members. "There is the issue of how we have been committed to young people," Mr. Perry said. "We have not always provided a continuous environment for them after Sunday school. When they reach their 20's and 30's, they don't come to church. They may wander back later, but we have not created the atmosphere for them to stay."

A small but growing number of parishes are beginning to address the problem by tailoring services to appeal to young adults. Some are even using rock music.

Another problem has been the growing appeal of large churches, which draw thousands of people to Sunday services. These churches, which tend to attract Christians of all denominations, have played at least some role in the declining memberships of the Episcopalians and Lutherans, although not enough yet, leaders of both churches said, to be of major concern. "The whole phenomenon of megachurches, from every church leader I've dealt with, in one sense rejoices. Yet they also wonder about the long-term impact of nurturing and grounding people in the faith of the church," said Almen.

Almen and his Episcopal colleagues agreed that the alliance would be a major step toward enhancing the religious experience of church members and by the new collaboration, attracting others in their communities to join them. "We have a new energy and enthusiasm," Bishop Kimsey said of the alliance with the Lutherans. "The Episcopal Church has broken open to some new ways to look at other communions and ecumenical possibilities by this. And there is always strength in numbers." (New York Times, 7-09-2000, www) http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/070900episcopal-lutheran.html

Some of the men involved in these ecumenical machinations think they are doing something good. They are mere dupes of the devil who is bringing all the religions of the world together to create his super religion, his one world religion which will be overseen by the reigning Roman Catholic Corporation CEO. All born from above believers in YAHSHUA YAHWEH of Nazareth the Mashiyach the Son of YAHWEH will have NOTHING to do with any ecumenical activity. They will remain independent of man and dependent on YAHWEH Elohim.

Schuller Has Never Sinned!?

Incredible as it sounds, self-esteem guru Robert Schuller claims he has never sinned.

In the wake of the scandal in which Schuller attacked a flight attendant he made a bold statement which few men dare to make. "I am very proud of who I am... I have never broken a single one of the ten commandments," he said. "I have not broken any of the teachings of Jesus christ, and so I'm proud of my faith and my message."

"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." (I John 1.8). (Plains Baptist Challenger, 1-98 - http://www.llano.net/baptist)

Bobby Schuller is not born from above. No one who is truly saved could ever make such a inane statement. According to the Holy Word of YAHWEH, the self-righteous Bobby Schuller is not born anew.

"If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us" (I Yochanan-John 1.10).

Anyone who believes this moron, is so gullible I'm amazed they can make it through a single day. Bobby is a boozer who was most likely drunk when he attacked the attendant.   He should have been arrested and tried for assault, but the FBI let him off with probation.

Bobby's gospel is a false gospel and virtually everything he teaches is not Biblical. Stay as far away from this false teacher (2 Keph 2.1) as you can and warn others about him.

NAE Sinks Deeper Into the Ecumenical Abyss

The National Association of Evangelicals have voted to accept Herbert Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God.

NAE boss Don Argue not only pushed the acceptance of the WCG, he spoke with a Muslim leader at a National Council of Churches meeting. He has also dragged the NAE into a "Christian Roundtable II" meeting with 37 religious leaders. (Plains Baptist Challenger, 1-98, p. 2 - http://www.llano.net/baptist)

It's obvious the NAE is an apostate association and Argue is most likely not born again. If he is saved, he is extremely backslidden and possibly apostate. No leader of any association should have anything to do with the NCC. That group is made up of satan worshippers (I Kor. 10.20). Everyone who is associated with the NCC is apostate and or backslidden.

Men like Argue and Falldown (Falwell) who speak with known apostates and unsaved men have compromised their faith and should be dismissed by the Assembly. It is men like these who are leading others down the path to apostasy.

It should be noted that Armstrong's false religion has not been converted as Hankie Hannegraaf claims. The current boss, Joe Tkach Jr., is saying all the right things and has changed some doctrines to be accepted by blind guides like Hankie. He actually takes credit for converting the WCG! How blind can one be?

Tkach is playing a game with Hankie and other blind guides to get his false religion accepted by them. Virtually no member of that false church is born anew and the few who are, are apostate. There is no evidence Tkach is born again and there is a great deal of evidence that he is not saved. He says he was saved a long time ago while in the false
religion. If he made a so-called decision for YAHSHUA while accepting the false doctrines of Armstrong he is not saved. Armstrong taught grace plus works for salvation.

Had Tkach said he realized he was not born again and then made a true decision to trust YAHSHUA I would say he probably is saved. He has not done that and he probably never will. I doubt that any of the members of his false church have truly been converted since the changes have been made.

This is a terrible tragedy and Hankie Hannegraaf is partly responsible for it. His actions will cause thousands of men, women and children to believe that are saved when they are not. He has the blood of thousands on his filthy hands and he will give an account for this abominable sin at the Great White Throne Judgment!

If Hankie Hannegraaf were born again, and there is no evidence that he is, he would explain to Tkach and the WCG faithful that unless they have trusted YAHSHUA to save them after the doctrinal changes in the WCG were made, they are dead in their sins and headed straight to hell. He will never do this just as he will never tell Roman Catholics that
they are headed straight to hell either. Every Catholic who believes the Roman Catholic doctrine of salvation is headed straight to hell. Hankie doesn't believe this and he actually claims the RCC is a true Messianic Faith church with a few doctrinal problems. He praises the Roman Catholic Church for money. Catholics donate a considerable amount to him.

The Roman Catholic Church is the modern day manifestation of the ancient Babylon religion founded by Nimrod and Semiramis. The RCC and Babylonian Talmudic Judaism have worked together for more than 1,600 years to rule the world (Apok-Rev. 17.18).  Before the Jews created the RCC to do their dirty work they ruled the world with the
Babylonian priests from the time they joined their team around 587 B.C. Prior to that the Babylonian priests ruled the world for their master, the devil.

This is not a wild hypothesis. This is what history teaches and what YAHWEH has declared. For more details about the RCC connection with the ancient Babylonian religion read, "Two Babylons," by Alexander Hyslop. It should be noted that Hannegraaf denounces this book. I wonder why. It's available from Emissary Publications (503) 824-2050 - http://www.midnight-emissary.com

Campolo Expects Visitors From Space?

Tony Campolo made an odd statement in which he suggested aliens from space may be sent to Earth to straighten out the mess here. He said he can envision a time when God will grow weary of mankind and send aliens to teach them to love one another. (Plains Baptist
Challenger, 1-98, p. 7 - http://www.llano.net/baptist)

Does Campolo know something? Fallen angels and humans disguised as aliens will stage a mock invasion claiming they have come in peace to solve Adamkind's problems. They will work with the beast and the false prophet to enforce the New World Nightmare. Maybe Camplo has inside information or someone has told him this. 

Robertson Says Believers Must Unite

In his last message to the 600 people who attended the Bill Bright Fasting and Prayer Conference in November, Pat Robertson said God will not heal the land until the church became united in one goal.

Pat emphasized the need for believers to stop ripping apart other's doctrines. Others featured at the event were Adrian Rogers, Tony Evans, and Kay Arthur. (Plains Baptist Challenger, Dec. 1997, p. 8 - http://www.llano.net/baptist)

Bright, Rogers, Evans and Arthur are apostate ecumenicalists who are leading pseudo-believers into the arms of the beast and the false prophet. It's hard to know if they are born from above.